Posted by: cousinbrandon | February 3, 2010

LOST – Season 6, Episodes 1 & 2 (Part 2): “LA X”

Click here to read Part 1 of “LA X.”

15. The Hole in the Wall. Jack and company arrive at the base of the wall, the same spot where Montand was dragged below ground by Smokey (not before losing his arm, mind you). The team descends below, where a skeleton (Montand’s) rests against the wall. On it is a book (I didn’t catch the name, unfortunately, but could’ve sworn he had this book when last we saw him) and matches, which Kate uses to light a torch. Kate takes the lead and lights the way for the rest of the crew to move forward, only she goes a bit too far. (And by the way, Kate, awfully nice of you to proceed down the tunnel and let Jin and Jack try to maneuver a goddamn body on a stretcher around that huge fucking hole in the ground without any light!) Jack realizes Kate isn’t there any longer, and as he scurries through the tunnel he hears the whispers. Sure enough, he and the rest of his team are captured by a whole new gaggle of Others. From there we go to…
 
16. The Old “I Gotta’ Pee” Routine. Kate is being led through LAX but the special agent. Clearly working on a duplicitous plan, she convinces him to let her go to the bathroom. The agent gives her two minutes in the stall. Kate removes a pen from her pocket (the pen she pick-pocketed off Jack when she bumped into him falling out of the bathroom) and proceeds to unlock her cuffs. Well, she tries to unlock her cuffs. The spring from the pen lands at the foot of the stall, and the now suspect agent accidentally steps on it. He insists that she open the stall door, and after refusing Kate kicks it open, knocking the agent down before she beats the holy hell out of him. Kate makes her way out, still cuffed, and finds herself in an elevator with Sawyer. And speaking of Sawyer, we cut to…

17. Crossing Over. Sawyer and Miles have just finished burying Juliet, when Sawyer essentially demands that Miles communicate with her spirit. Miles insists it doesn’t work that way, but Sawyer, still fuming, won’t be deterred, and tackles Miles on top of the grave. Sawyer has to know the “very important” thing Juliet tried to tell him before dying. Miles does his nose crinkle thing and does, in fact, managed to communicate with Juliet, who simply “tells” Miles, “It worked.” This is pretty major, I’d say, if the “it” referred to is rebooting history as Jack and company intended. Essentially the ghost of Juliet has confirmed that they’ve managed to send Sawyer and company back to Oceanic 815, which seems crazy considering Miles and Sawyer are right there on the island. However, what if it works in the same way as Desmond “leaping” through his own timeline, populating different points of his own consciousness? What if, say, the souls/spirits of our heroes have actually managed to travel back to that flight, because what, after all, is a body? But we’ll get to that. First, we return to…

18. The Temple. Jack and company are led to the temple (again, none of them spotted this previously?!) where they are greeted by Cindy (zing!), a non-English speaking Asian man, and the dude who played Sol Star on Deadwood. The Asian man (who would appear to be the leader) orders Jack and crew to be shot, but Hurley pipes up and says that Jacob sent them. Still suspect, Hurley points to the guitar case, saying Jacob told him to bring it. The case is opened a la Pulp Fiction, only in this instance we actually get to see the contents: a large, wooden ankh. Something about it looks, well, kind of stupid, so I was glad to watch the man snap it in half and confirm my suspicion. Inside the ankh is a small sheet of paper, and this may have been my favorite “reveal” of the entire two-hour premiere, as the paper contained a list — the list — of names provided by Jacob way back in season 2, I believe. Sure enough, the list contained the names of Jack, Kate, Hurley, Sayid and Jin, thus making Sawyer and Miles’ “decision” to hang back and bury Juliet that much cooler, as they weren’t on the list. Did the writers incorporate this idea after the fact? Who cares! It was awesome, and I was glad to see it wasn’t just one more red herring. From there we go back to…

19. Customs. Jin and Sun are going through customs at LAX, and the security guard (who’s kind of a dick) wants Jin to explain the watch. Jin gives the man a letter, but because Jin (nor Sun, apparently) speak English, they can’t help themselves. The security guard then finds a large stack of money in Jin’s suitcase, and seeing as how he failed to declare this, Jin is taken into airport custody. Sun is questioned by a female security guard, who asks that she speak up if she knows any English in order to fix the situation. [UPDATE: Rewatching the episode, I noticed the custom agent calls Sun “Mrs. Paik” as opposed to “Mrs. Kwon,” which is her correct last name. Is this a timeline riff, or has the agent made a mistake because the letter submitted by Jin was from Mr. Paik? Hmmm.] Sun responds with “No English,” which is fascinating, really, because in this timeline it would appear she really doesn’t speak English. That is, I’m pretty sure she wasn’t simply maintaining her cover in this case, as she clearly would have saved Jin’s hide, yes? Cut back to…

20. The Bath Spring. Jack and company are led inside the temple to what looks like some sort of aqueduct/”pool of life” type of thing. Sol Star points out that the water “isn’t clear.” The Asian man walks to the water and slices his hand open with a large knife. He plunges his bloody hand into the bath in an attempt to “heal” his wound, only he is still injured upon removing it. He orders Sayid to be stripped from his DHARMA jumpsuit, and he is carried into the water by some of the Others. Sayid is held face down in the water and the Asian man flips over an hourglass. As the sands begin to trickle out, Sayid clearly regains consciousness, his flailing arms and legs being forced under water as Jack and crew demand he be pulled out. Finally, after the sands have run out, Sayid is removed from the water, only it is too late. [UPDATE: When Sayid is removed from the spring, it is impossible to ignore the fact that his outstretched arms make him resemble Christ. Now, I’ve not bought into this whole “Jacob is inhabiting Sayid” thing, but still hard to ignore.] “Your friend is dead,” Sol Star informs them. Jack being Jack, he attempts to save Sayid via CPR, but is quickly pulled away by Kate who insists that Sayid’s gone. And just like that, no more Sayid. No more Sayid? Hmmm…. I’ve got to admit, this was a rather disturbing scene. For some reason drowning has always really bothered me; just hard to watch. Anyway, we return to…

21. The Getaway. Back at LAX, Kate is plodding away around the airport trying to find an escape. After watching a (careless) employee plug her numbers into a security panel, Kate follows suit and finds an exit out to the airport cab stands. She quickly tries to duck into a cab but is stopped by our pal Frogurt, who’s still super annoying and deserves yet another arrow to the chest. Kate gets in line behind Hurley, but quickly makes a break for it once the special agent spots her. She jumps into a cab and pulls a gun on the driver, who’s already got a fare. Oh, and that fare? Claire. Claire the Fare. Nice. And awesome. Back to…

22. Man Your Battlestations! Jack and crew sit around the bath/pool, shattered over Sayid. Cindy appears with Zach and Emma, the kids from season 1, who bring food to the Losties. Miles and an unconscious Sawyer are dragged in, as they’ve clearly been captured. Hurley is taken to the Asian man, who wants to know what Jacob told him. Additionally, he wants to know when Jacob is coming, only to be informed by Hurley that Jacob is dead. With this nose, all hell breaks loose and the Others go into mass defensive mode. A giant firework-like rocket is launched as a signal of sorts, and ash is spread all around the compound. Clearly news of Jacob’s death means Smokey has not only triumphed, but is en route. And speaking of Smokey, we cut to…

23. (F)Locke and Ben. Interesting, really, that you kind of get “flock” out of the Fake Locke nickname, no? Anyway, FLocke and Ben are inside the foot of the statue, where FLocke insists he didn’t make Ben do anything. In other words, Ben acted out of free will. FLocke tells Ben that when Ben strangled the real Locke, John was confused, and his last “pathetic” thought was, “I don’t understand.” FLocke depicts an awful image of Locke, calling him weak, pathetic, without purpose. But he does manage to call him admirable, in that Locke was the only one who didn’t want to leave the island, as he realized how pitiful his old life was. And then, in one of the great albeit telegraphed lines of the night, FLocke informs Ben that the great ironic difference between himself and Locke is that, “I want to go home.” This raises all sorts of questions. What is “home” for Smokey? The temple? Somewhere off-island? Somewhere mythical/biblical? Craziness. Back to…

24. Farewell. Hurley makes his peace with Sayid and says goodbye. Sure, this was a pretty brief, uninteresting interlude, except for one thing: did anyone else catch the look on Miles’ face? Clearly he sensed something from Sayid’s “ghost” here, which would suggest, then, that Sayid really was dead. But what, exactly, did it tell Miles? “See you soon?” Hmmm… From there we take one last trip to…

25. LAX. Jack is in the baggage claim area, on the phone with his mother explaining that his father’s coffin has gone missing. Wheelchair-bound Locke asks what Jack lost, and Jack explains about Oceanic losing his father. And in yet another great Locke line, John asks, “How could they know where he is? They didn’t lose your father, they just lost his body.” For a second I thought Jack might rear back and clock him, but then I realized something: this isn’t Jack. That is, maybe this isn’t the “Man of Science” we once knew, who would have been the Man of Science at this point. What’s more, what followed was even more telling. Jack asks about Locke’s paralysis, and explains that he’s a spinal surgeon. They then have this brief, albeit important exchange:

Locke: My condition’s irreversible.

Jack: Nothing’s irreversible.

This is important for two reasons. First, there’s the obvious connection to the fact that what we’ve been watching is, in fact, the reversal of history. That is, Jack has reversed the outcome of the Losties and is now living said reversal in this timeline. Second, there’s the notion I hinted at just moments ago, that in we realize Jack is, perhaps, not a Man of Science after all, and that Locke is not a Man of Faith. Look, Jack is saying that Locke’s “irreversible” paralysis is reversible. Is this “Jack the Hero” talking, the Jack with the God complex (ironically)? Or, is this a man who believes in, well, belief? Or, a third suggestion is whether or not the two are really inseparable. That is, Jack has “faith” in “science.” Jack believes he can heal John. Again, we just have to wonder what it is he’s truly relying on: his training as a surgeon or his faith in healing. And, of course, there’s Locke, who here is actually admitting to “what he can’t do,” a notion he has never accepted and a phrase he has uttered more than once on LOST (“Don’t tell me what I can’t do.”) Really, just an amazing exchange. Okay, back to…

26. The Beach. Both Ben and FLocke emerge from the foot, with guns trained on FLocke. Richard realizes what’s happening and instructs everyone not to shoot. FLocke approaches Richard and tells him, “It’s good to see you out of those chains,” before beating Richard unconscious. He scoops Richard up, puts him over his shoulder, tells those watching that he’s disappointed in them all, and marches off past the corpse of one John Locke. Not only was this pretty amazing, but FLocke’s line to Richard suggests (to me, anyway) that we’re going to learn Richard was not only on the Black Rock, but was on there as a prisoner/captive and not the captain I envisioned. Sure, this could be a stretch, but I can’t help but think those were the sorts of chains he was referring to. And by the way, nice to see the episode come full circle, in that the Losties needed the chains from the van to free Juliet. Nice touch. And, for the final jump, we return to…

27. Lazarus. Sol Star demands that Jack come with him to see the Asian man, or he will be dragged there by Sol’s henchmen. Jack puts up a fight, but before the skirmish can come to an end, Hurley gets Jack’s attention and the camera pans over to Sayid, who has risen from the dead. Zing! And although that was the final scene, I leave you with…

28. The Title. “LA X” not “LAX” can mean a couple different things, I suppose. For instance, the “X” could be an “X marks the spot type of reference.” Or, it could be an “X” that shows up a la Family Feud when someone guesses the wrong answer, thus indicating that the airport timeline is the “wrong” timeline. Or, as is typically the case in Algebra, “X” is the most common variable. And seeing as how the notion of variables and free will has become a rather dominant theme, it’s hard to ignore that brief, although unlikely connection.

Okay, folks. I am absolutely spent and have a shit-ton of real life work to do. I ask — no, demand — you leave comments here on my blog. What did you think of the episode? What did I miss? Agree with my takes? Disagree? The floor is yours.

Until next time, have at it, you vultures!

BD

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Responses

  1. Bravo, Brandon! Some exhaustive work, much more thorough and explanatory than my liveblog last night. I’m a big fan, and you definitely have a much better eye for the small details (the kidnapped kids being at the temple!) than I do.

    At this point, it wouldn’t surprise me if they do keep it as two separate timelines, with everyone on the Island being sort of “pawns” to be used in the battle between Jacob and the MiB. The two places – the mainland and the Island – seem to be pretty distinct places at this point, and I’m still not sure how they fully explain Dharma and Widmore in the context of everything else. Do they exist in the “new” timeline?

    Also, what about the origins of Juliet? I feel like we’ve never really gotten to the bottom of her.

    • Well, we’ve had some flashbacks on Juliet, such as the episode “Not in Portland.” We’ve seen her ex-husband, sister with cancer, and affair with Goodwin. I wouldn’t expect too much more on her thanks to the fucknut show V.

      I think an entire season of co-existing timelines would be pretty awesome, really. I mean, they’ve essentially done that before, but one based on what happened and one based on what MIGHT have happened is pretty exciting, really.

      Thanks for reading, Steve G.

  2. I’m pretty sure the first time that Jack did poor the alcohol in his drink, what struck me though was that the glass looked more full this time around. Maybe a coincidence, but I don’t really believe in those anymore.

    I thought that Sun did speak english but just didn’t say anything. When she said “No english” I felt there was an obvious pause between no and english, as if she was going to say “No, I do speak english.” At that point Sun had no idea where the money came from, so how could she save him? And what would be the point of giving away a secret that could potentially end their marriage?

    One comparison that was interesting I heard was that between the healing of Sayid and Ben. When Ben was healed Richard said he would come back different. Was he healed the same way as Sayid? Is Sayid coming back “different”? And what is different? Embodied by something else? On Jimmy Kimmel last night Jimmy asked the Lost creators if Sayid was Jacob. I thought that was weird, but somehow makes sense at the same time.

    • Oh, there was definitely a pause between “no” and “English.” And, yes, we’re meant to think she’s going to speak to the customs agent. My point is that this is clearly a different timeline. I mean, look at Hurley! In this timeline he’s “the luckiest man alive.” Also, Shannon stays in Australia. For all we know, maybe Sun never had the affair, learned English and intended to leave Jin.

      I’m sure we’re to think that Ben, too, was taken to the waters to be healed. And since that was the case with Ben, it would make sense that Sayid also emerges different. Also, nice parallelism in that Ben and Sayid were taken to the water to heal, especially considering Ben was taken there BECAUSE Sayid shot him.

      And Sayid is NOT Jacob.

      Thanks for reading, Manderson.

  3. One difference is that the attendant gave Jack 1 bottle in this alternate universe but gave him 2 in previous flashbacks.

    He also put the bottles directly in his pocket previously, which were then used later on the island.

    • So Cindy DEFINITELY handed him two the last time? You positive about that? I mean, he was obviously having a drink already and certainly received a second one, but are we sure he received two?

      Thanks for the observations, Cmitch. I need to rewatch that original incident.

      [UPDATE] Okay, my man Doc Jensen writes this: “But why did Jack only get one secret bottle of booze from Cindy instead of two?” So, it would appear that Jack did, in fact, get a second bottle of vodka the first time around.

      • My friend Amanda also noticed that she handed him just one, not two.

        Also, re: Sun, was it just me or was she dressed a lot more conservatively this time around on the plane? That was my impression, which is why I thought she didn’t flat out know English.

  4. Excellent work, Cousin!

    Re: Cmitch:

    I thought that in the previous flashbacks Cindy gave him two bottles, and he mixed one of the bottles in with his drink, and then put the other bottle in his jacket pocket (later used to sterilize his wound & Kate’s hand)…

    Is there some chance that Cindy is unconsciously aware of the fact that Jack won’t need the 2nd bottle? Was she aware of it the “first” time?

    She was hand-picked early on by the Others, and as she’s reappeared with them, apparently holding a position of power, is there something that makes her “special”?

    On that note, were Michael and Walt on the plane? Is Walt still “special”? I understand that there would be no way of filming this in 2009 or 2010 and making Walt appear as he did back in ’04 (since he’s obviously aged quite a bit), but still, there was absolutely no reference to them at all… Michael wasn’t on the plane, either… is it possible that “the reset” had some effect on Walt’s being special? Or on his mother’s sudden death in Australia?

    Anyway, overall, I think this episode was overwhelmingly redeeming… sure, it posed a myriad of new questions (probably more than it answered) but I think that’s what we all love about LOST.

    Thanks for the great post, Brandon.

    • Okay, I did, in fact, get confirmation that Cindy handed him one bottle of vodka this time, whereas she handed him two the first time around. Again, there was several “adjustments” on this flight as opposed to the original one, and this was certainly one of the more subtle ones.

      That’s a great point about Walt and Michael. Granted, there’s no mention of folks like Ana Lucia and Mr. Eko, but then there never was the first time around, either. From what I recall, I don’t ever remember meeting Walt and Michael on the flight the first time around, so I guess there was no need to address it here. And seeing as how this appears to be an alternate/sideways timeline, they can get likely get away with dismissing their characters altogether, unfortunately.

      I appreciate your comments, and hope to see you back, Skweeds!

      • I kind of wonder if they didn’t show everyone because of practical reasons. At this point, there are anywhere between 15 and 30 main, supporting and secondary cast members on the plane, and half of them (Greg Grunberg, the original pilot) have moved on to others shows. What I’m thinking of is that the absence of someone from the plane doesn’t necessarily mean anything.

  5. I would say my only comment that others haven’t made yet is that I think when Jack told Locke that nothing was irreversible, I think Jack is just thinking that he may be able to “cure/heal” Locke the same way that he did with hsi ex-wife (or in this reality, is she his ex-wife?).

    • Yeah, dochielomn, I essentially address that in item 25 above. Again, we’re looking at a mad reversal of roles here. Well, sort of. I mean, in saying “Nothing’s irreversible,” we’re seeing the “Hero Jack” we’ve come to know, as well as “Man of Faith Jack,” which is something new. But this just speaks to my point above: namely, that faith and heroism aren’t independent traits in this case, and maybe never are.

  6. Why does this have to be an alternate reality? I know it’s far-fetched, but the island scenes are taking place a good three years ahead of the flight.

    Is it possible they all still somehow end up on the island and then go through all this chaos?

    Clearly, they did change something… the hatch was never built… at least not where they orignally built it. Which would explain why Desmond could be on the plane and not pushing a button constantly. They were in the past, and got propelled into the future… but in the future, no one had cleared the wreckage. Furthermore, the bomb couldn’t have gone off, because the wreckage wasn’t melted, and well… Juliet was still alive. Remember… whatever happened, happened. No matter what, right?

    As far as Smokey only being dead people… that’s why the Others wouldn’t bury their dead. They sent them off in flames, out to sea, Viking style.

    Jin and Sun… I’m pretty sure Sun knew English. She was remarking how happy The old bags were, and Jin didn’t smile, or say it could be them… he was back to being the domineering husband, telling her to cover up. Why would she save him? That could have been her ticket to escape.

    Jack and Sayid with the CPR was funny too. It mirrored the scene where Jack tried to rescue Charlie, after Ethan hung him up. However, this time, Jack gave up a lot quicker and with less protest, for something that seemed less severe.

    I can’t remember… but did Hurley ever tell Miles that he also speaks to dead people? Because if not, that could have been the reason for the look Miles gave him.

    I think Sayid is Jacob’s loophole. Much like Locke was The Man In Black’s loophole. And I think Jacob needed Sayid to die, much like FLocke needed Locke to die.

    • I’m not sure I’m following you, Major Minority. Of COURSE it’s still possible they end up on the island in this alternate reality, if we are to subscribe to course correction. On the other hand, it’s absolutely IMPOSSIBLE, as hinted at by the opening sequence in which we see the barracks and the foot of the statue underwater. In other words, the island and its contents aren’t the endpoint in this “reality.”

      I’m not understanding your point that the hatch wasn’t built “where they originally built it.” Explain?

      As far as the Others not burying their dead: you’re saying that Smokey only inhabits those who are buried, or those whose bodies are left “intact” (ie, not cremated)? Clarify for me, please.

      You might be right on Sun, but I’m still not 100% convinced.

      I don’t recall if Miles and Hurley had that conversation or not in “Some Like It Hoth.” Does anyone recall?

      As far as the whole Jacob/Sayid connection, I’m not so sure. There’s been nothing to suggest at this point that Jacob takes the form of the dead, outside of (perhaps) taking the form of Christian Shephard. Other than that, it seems like that might be out of left field.

      Thanks for all the great observations, Sir.

  7. You picked a great screenshot in the one of the Taweret statue – it seems like they purposefully did not show you the full statue. Is it just the foot? Is the statue still whole? If it’s just the foot, does that mean that the island sank at some point for a cause other than the Jughead explosion? We’ve been nudged in the direction of Ben having something to do with the statue falling apart by the Sun/Ben conversation in S5.

    Also, I called this as soon as I saw it, but I really think that Desmond-on-the-plane was the Monster and that Desmond is dead in the alternate reality.

    • Thanks, Tom C. Yeah, I have to believe that the island sank in this alternate timeline, but likely not due to Jughead. What if Radzinksy sank it when they hit the electromagnetic pocket? I mean, that’s assuming that event even happened in this alternate timeline.

      Interesting observation about Desmond, but why? What makes you think that?

      • Jack asking Rose if she had seen the man sitting next to him and them not having any idea was the biggest giveaway to me. That and the timing of the Desmond appearance – directly after the shakes and before the underwater camera zoom.

        Also, real Desmond should remember meeting Jack in the stadium when running like he did in the hatch, unless we’re saying that that is another part of the backstory that has been changed.

  8. RE: Steve G.

    “I kind of wonder if they didn’t show everyone because of practical reasons. At this point, there are anywhere between 15 and 30 main, supporting and secondary cast members on the plane, and half of them (Greg Grunberg, the original pilot) have moved on to others shows. What I’m thinking of is that the absence of someone from the plane doesn’t necessarily mean anything.”

    I see your point, Steve G., but then there’s entirely too many red herrings. I just think it’s hard for a show like LOST, despite its intracies, to brush too much under the rug. With it’s rabid fanbase (ahem) combing over every last detail, the writers know there’s not too much we’ll let them get away with. Granted, people like me writing a blog about the show doesn’t reallly mean shit to ABC, but you get my point.

  9. Two points.

    1. Why didn’t Jack or Desmond recognize each other from their interaction in the stadium which took place before they were on the plane?

    2. One thing I always found interesting was how “Smokey” could only re-appear as people who’s bodies were on the island. Locke, Mr. Eko’s brother, Horace, Christian, etc…

    • Hey, Mike, let me respond to both points:

      1. Again, we have no indication that the events that preceeded the moment on the airplane in this “flashsideways” are the same, so we can’t yet assume that Desmond and Jack ever met in the stadium.

      2. When you say “bodies,” I’m assuming you mean the dead, which is where the flaw is in your logic. That is, the season 5 finale begins with the Man in Black (Smokey) on the beach, and at that point we have to assume it’s a “live” body he’s occupying. Also, I think for the sake of continuity and audience understanding that Smokey would need to inhabit the bodies of characters we, as viewers, are familiar with, right?

      Thanks for reading/responding, Sir.

      • 1. Why can’t we assume that all roads leading to being on that plane are the same? The difference is the result of that airplane’s flight, not the reasoning for them being on the plane.

        2. What I was saying, was Smokey doesn’t inhabit the dead body of the person, but needs said dead body on the island to appear as that person. An observation rather than point.

  10. Well, I watched part 1 of LA X again, and they clearly did build the hatch… I’m just not that swift, I suppose.

    But as far as the alternate reality thing, I’m just saying that we might not be flashing back and forth between realites, but just in time. I know island is underwater, but couldn’t that just be temporary? The Island moves about, and there were hints that underwater survival is possible… because there was an underwater hatch.

    By the way, did you see Kimmel? I know you already confirmed it, but Damon and Carlton mentioned that it was intentional that he only received one bottle of booze.

    As far as Smoky and the dead people… yes. He can only take the form of people who are dead, on the island, body in tact. That’s why they needed to bring Locke’s body back to the island. Remember, that’s when his “resurrection” occured? It would have been easier for him to pretend to be Locke without the corpse there to let people know something was awry.

    Also, I was thinking… Jacob turned into ash pretty quickly in that fire. I bet that the faces we first saw fit the Man in Black and Jacob were not their original.

    Furthermore, upon watching Kimmel interview the creators… they merely stated that FLocke was the smoke monster, not the man in black. Could they be two seperate entities?

    And could Jacob actually be the evil one? That seems like a very lost thing to do. Ilyana and Bram were on the side of Jacob, but the pilot made the curious comment, “They claim they’re the good guys… I’m not convinced either.”

    Also, as far as Desmond goes, I’m beginning to think there are several possibilities, but none involve him actually being on the plane. Everyone else we know on that plane was accounted for. We saw Charlie, Jack, Locke, Frogurt, Jin, Sun, Rose, Bernard, Kate, Sawyer, Hurley, and Boone all get off the plane/ in the airport. Not Desmond. Jack was one of the last people off and didn’t see him again. Furthermore, nobody else saw him. Rose and Bernard had been “sleeping.”
    Desmond is either A) Dead… the Hatch exploded, the island sank, and now Jack is able to communicate with dead people also. Or, 2) Desmond is flashing through time again/ and or working with Eloise or someone much like he did when he was on a mission to help Faraday. He boarded that plane to talk to Jack, but jumped again before the plane landed.

    • But how can we be flashing back and forth in time when this new timeline on the plane clearly comprises events that are different? I mean, every time there is a different chain of events (even if things end the same way), don’t we have to assume that we’re looking at a parallel existence? Go read the fucking amazing book The Man Who Folded Himself. It’s an old sci-fi book about a guy who inherits a time-traveling belt from his uncle (lame, I know), and every time he jumps through time he creates an alterante universe. It’s pretty incredible.

      Nope, I didn’t see Kimmel, but thanks for the update on the bottle.

      If there’s one thing I feel pretty goddamn sure of it’s that Smokey, The Man in Black and FLocke are all one in the same. I have zero doubt. And if I’m wrong, well, I’m wrong.

      Yes, I think there’s a very good chance that Jacob could be the evil one. I just had this discussion this morning, and one thing that’s always been clear about LOST is their obvious leanings on philosophy/philosophers. I believe Utilitarianism proposes that the ends justify the means. If that’s the case, perhaps all of the people killed by Smokey were to justify an end-game of greater proportion — that is, a “for the greater good” mentality.

      But here’s another thought I had this morning, and I’m not saying I fully support this; rather, it’s a thought: what if when we see Jacob tell Hurley to take Sayid to the temple we’re not REALLY seeing Jacob? At this point Jacob’s been murdered. What if this is Smokey inhabiting the body of Jacob? Again, I’m not sure I believe this; rather, just thought it made for an interesting debate.

      Well, we didn’t see Michael and Walt, but I think the notion of Desmond leaping through different points in his consciousness (a la “Flashes Before Your Eyes”) is a definite possibility.

  11. Not only Mike and Walt, but what about Libby? I always wondered what was up with her… she gave Desmond that gosh darn boat.

    Smokey and MiB probably are the same, but in the season 5 finale, the MiB was hanging out with Jacob at the foot. Why would he need Richard to lead him back there? Wouldn’t he already know where the statue was? And why would there be a ring of ash around the cabin, but not the foot? (Besides the fact that Jacob probably wanted to die.) And did you ever understand why they burned the cabin? I didn’t.

    As far as the timelines, I know they’re big on the theory that more than one timeline is always going on concurrently, depending on the decisions you make. But at some point, the two we’re seeing have to converge, right?

    • You touch on something that drives me crazy, which is that there’s no mystery on LOST I want answered more than what in the hell Libby was doing in the mental ward with Hurley. Seriously, it’s the riddle that kills me more than anything else.

      The MiB didn’t need them to LEAD him there; rather, he needed Ben in order to get inside the foot, as Ben was still the leader on the island and he needed him to have court with Jacob. One thought about the cabin ash, by the way, was whether or not the ash was around the cabin to keep Smokey IN, not OUT! Perhaps, then, this is why they burned the cabin? Not really sure.

      I don’t know that they have to converge. I mean, why would they HAVE to?

  12. I realllly need to watch the season 5 finale again. But I’m pretty confident that Fake Locke needed Richard to lead them. Otherwise, he could’ve went with Ben alone. It would’ve been much easier.

    Again, watch the 10 minute Kimmel interview. They’re very careful about their words. Smokey is Fake Locke, but they never mention the Man In Black.

    Also, If jacob can also take over the dead, perhaps that’s what Ilyana was talking about when she asked if Frank was a, “candidate.” If he was a candidate for the next body of Jacob.

    And when he says, “they’re coming.” It’s fairly obvious now that he’s talking about Hurley, Jack, Kate, et al, coming back to their present, right?

    I guess they don’t HAVE to converge, but I don’t see how they can’t. Whatever happened happened. And it would be too easy to just have two seperate storylines to end the series.

    • I don’t care what they said: FLocke = Smokey = Man In Black. Look, in the opening scene of the season 5 finale, the MiB talks about finding a loophole in order to kill Jacob. At the end of the episode, Jacob tells MiB, “I guess you found your loophole.” So, if MiB is FLocke, and FLocke is Smokey, MiB is Smokey. Done.

      Interesting thought on the whole “candidate” element. Again, we still haven’t seen evidence that Jacob inhabits the bodies of others, so I won’t sign off on this.

      Yeah, you’re likely right about the storylines merging at some point, but I just can’t seem to figure out how they’re going to pull that off. Theoretically, it doesn’t seem to make sense at this point. Although, I guess it might allow them to get to the outrigger scene, in which one group of folks is shooting at the other, in which I always predicted we’d find out that they were shooting at themselves. Confused?

  13. Good logic, with the loophole comment, but again, Richard isn’t dumb. he knows almost everything about the island.
    Let’s reason through this. The Others know about the weird, dead people coming back to life thing, as witnessed by their “burial” procedures.
    Richard has an obvious history with both Jacob and the MiB.
    He sees the dead Locke, but doesn’t realize that something’s horribly wrong until the flare/firework goes off?
    And Jacob was “mortal” but the Man in Black was bulletproof?
    Is it impossible that the smoke monster really is the sentient island defense system, and the Man in Black and Jacob are two seperate people?

    By the way, when Fake Locke says he wants to go home, everyone says “where?” But im thinking it might be a when question.

    And if they don’t answer the Libby question, I’ll mail them a vomit smoothie.

    • I still don’t buy it. Everything that’s happened points to the fact that MiB, Smokey and FLocke are all one in the same. EVERYTHING! If it turns out not to be the case, I dare the writers to convince me as to why.

      And you’re right to say that Jacob was “mortal” in quotes. Look, I don’t buy that anyone who can travel through time and exist for centuries is “mortal,” as is the case with Jacob. And since he’s not mortal in the typical sense, he can’t be killed in the typical sense. Hell, they even make a point of showing us that Jacob’s body has essentially disappeared after being kicked into the fire. Last I checked bodies don’t just vanish.

  14. Here’s another thought I just had… Ben was able to summon the smoke monster. If the smoke monster was the man in black, why would he be helping Jacob’s followers?

    And, if he can take over dead people, Jacob may have the ability to inhabit dead people off of the island… because how else can we explain young Ben’s visions of his mother? Or Hurley seeing Charlie?

    Something to ponder. And maybe Adam and Eve were the original Man in Black and Jacob.

  15. I watched the Kimmel segment again. Carlton and Damon say that Locke is NOT inhabited by the Man in Black.

  16. Why would MiB and/or Smokey need to take over the body of John Locke if he/it can do so while the original body of John Locke still exists?

    Did Smokey need [i]A[/i] body to inhabit, or did it need [i]Locke’s[/i] body?

    • Richie, as I said above, Smokey needed to inhabit Locke’s body to convince Ben to murder Jacob. Why Ben? Because Ben’s the current leader on the island, and in order to get into the foot of the temple and “meet” with Jacob, the leader must request said meeting. Since the MiB can’t kill Jacob, Ben must do it. This is the whole loophole thing.

  17. Fantastics side-by-side video of the opening plane turbulence scene on LOST. Notice Jack’s face on the right screen after realizing he isn’t going to crash. Again, there’s that whole consciousness-jumping element that’s pretty obvious. Like deja vu, even.

    Also, two bottles of vodka, indeed!

  18. Hey, another thing I just thought of… (and sorry for flooding your comments section, but I’m doing this all through my phone, so I can’t reply to a comment, only create a new one.)

    Desmond’s failure to push the button caused the plane to crash originally, or at least that’s the conclusion they came to, right?
    And Desmond appears right after the crash originally happened. So, if Desmond wasn’t jumping around, someone had to be pushing the button right? Assuming he wasn’t jumping around, that would probably mean that Desmond never went to the island and killed Kelvin Inman, because we wasn’t training for the race, and thus wouldn’t have met Jack at the Stadium.

    But he probably was jumping around. It’s odd too, the two sleep references around him. He said that the guy next to him had been snoring since take off, and Rose and Bernie didn’t see him because they had been sleeping.

    • So to add in some of my thoughts in the back and forth convo. I agree with Cousin Brandon, Flocke = Smokey = MiB. There’s just too much connection to not have the 3 be the same.

      The whole Desmond thing on the plane can be explained by how some of the things in the characters lives have changed a little bit in this sideways flash. Perfect example is now Hurley thinks he’s lucky from winning the lottery so it’s very possible that Desmond’s life has been different and that he and Jack never met previously. Also, the whole thing with pushing the button and the plane not crashing, well the island at this point is underwater so I don’t think there is a button pushing going on.

      As for Libby, I got a bad feeling that we’re not going to get an aswer about why she was in the insane asylum with Hurley. Got a feeling it’s like how in the Sopranos there was the Russian guy in the woods that we never find out what happened and everyone was always speculating that he was going to show up at some point. i think that’s Libby’s fate and is just going to be one of those “WTF” moments. Myabe just the writers trying too hard to connect everyone together and then later forgetting to carry out that part of the storyline. Same with how we’ve never gotten a full answer about Walt being special and what exactly happened to him when they stole him.

      The thing I would like to see answered is, when we first see Jacob’s cabin was the circle of ash not broken? I remember at one point we see that the circle is broken but I don’t remember if it was always the case from where we’ve seen it. If it’s always been broken, then I’m more apt to believe that Smokey was suppose to be contained within it and not meant to keep Smokey from getting there.

      Another thing to note, are we sure that Jack’s dad has always been represented by Jacob? By this I mean, if we go by the theory that Smokey can take the shape of any dead person on the island, then perhaps, Smokey has been taking on Christian and he’s been the true force behind everything.

  19. Re: Dochielomn

    Well, there’s two things about the Isalnd being underwater… we don’t yet know if the whole island was submerged, or maybe part of it broke off during a move, and sank.

    Also, there was an underground hatch… The Hydra, so it’s concievable that the button duties may have been moved there. Neither of these things are likely, but speculation is fun.

    The main thing about Jacob is that im not so sure he’s the good guy. He’s not opposed to murder, torture, or unjust imprisonment. He encouraged Kate to become a criminal, gave Sawyer the pen to write the letter that would eventually lead to a murder, etc. He keeps bringing people to the island for some unknown reason, looking for an “end.” So even if it was Jacob as Christian the whole time, his motives may not have been as good as we think.

    I am probably wrong about Locke-Smokey-MiB, but im just going off what they said in the interview. And, with everything, there’s a black and white, and a gray area.

    The circle of ash was not always broken, and how could it keep Smokey in if he was there from episode 1?

    Oh, and did we ever find out what those whispers in the jungle were? Spirits of the dead? The Others?

    Here’s a wild theory about Walt. What if he’s special because he can transcend dimensions? He appears in places he’s not supposed to because he can flash back and forth not in time, but between realitites. The Island is underwater… he appeared to Shannon soaking wet. One reality seems to be opposite of the other, he speaks backwards.

    • I know there is the underwater hatch but from the looks of it, it didn’t seem to do much other than more of another observation point and something to do with the submarine. The button had to do more with electromagnetism in the ground so unless that is now located under the water, I don’t think the button is in play in the sideflash.

      Now I do agree that it’s possible that Jacob isn’t the “good guy”, the thing with him is it is stll free choice on everyone’s part and it is possible that for these people the island is their fate/destiny and Jacob was just helping them along.

      Ok, now knowing that the circle wasn’t always broken, then that does squash the theory that they were keeping Smokey in. I just couldn’t remember if the cirlce was always solid and not broken.

      Not sure they ever explained the whispers. Last season when they were doing all the stuff with the time flashes, I thought maybe the whispers were just people talking from the past. Sort of the same way that there are theories about residual energy being trapped and just going on a loop (hence maybe someone says that every day at 3pm, they hear footsteps in their attic even though there is nothing up there). But that’s a whole nother topic.

      And yes, it’s fun to play devil’s advocate sometimes even if the evidence is overwhelming in one direction or the other. Henc e that’s what makes discussions fun.

    • Okay, even Doc Jensen is “reporting” that FLocke = Smokey = MiB. Again, despite what the writers did or didn’t say, I don’t think it’s arguable at this point. They set everything up to unfold as such. And like any “good” mystery, the clues should always be there for the viewer to solve. In other words, you just can’t pull bullshit endings/solutions out of thin air, because otherwise all you’re doing is intentionally tricking your audience, and that’s a great way to lose credibility.

  20. I’m too hungover and foggy in the brain to write any sort of articulate response right now, so I’ll simply say, dochielomn and Major Minority, that you guys make some really great observations. At some point, I’ll actually respond. Now, my brain hurts…

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