Posted by: cousinbrandon | April 14, 2010

LOST – Season 6, Episode 12: “Everybody Loves Hugo”

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Okay, so I fell asleep on my couch and didn’t wake up until 1:50 AM, meaning A) I missed LOST; and B) I didn’t get to watch it until 5:30 in the morning. And when I did finally watch it, I didn’t take any notes, which was a shame considering how in-depth the episode was. Fortunately I went back and watched “Everybody Loves Hurley” again, this time with pen and hand, and took copious notes. In other words, strap yourselves in, as this might take a while. (And by the way, the title is obviously a nod to the season 2 episode, “Everybody Hates Hurley.” This is, of course, similar to what they did with the whole “What Kate Did”/”What Kate Does” parallelism.) Oh, one other thing: did Hugo have a “mirror” moment that I simply missed? I honestly couldn’t remember him seeing himself! Or, was that the point of the slideshow? Let’s kick it off in sideways land with…

1. Hugo Reyes, Man of the Year. We open with, well, nothing. A black screen, really, followed by the familiar voiceover of Dr. Marvin Candle (aka Edgar Halliwax, aka Dr. Mark Wickmund, aka Pierre Chang, aka Miles’ father), who is “narrating” a slideshow of Hurley and his great success. (Interestingly, he refers to Hurley as a “beacon of light.” You know what else is a beacon of light? A lighthouse.) Candle references Hurley’s “lifelong love affair with chicken,” which kind of cracked me up in its ridiculousness. Candle announces that the paleontology wing of the Golden State Natural History Museum will be opened and named in Hurley’s honor. (And we can assume, by the way, this is where Candle and Charlotte work.) Hugo receives a standing ovation at the speech’s conclusion. Outside the ceremony with his mother, he mentions another award he is to receive next week, but she refuses to go again as his date. Rather, she has set up a blind date for Hurley with the neighbor’s daughter, Rosalita, and tells a scared Hurley, “She’s gonna’ love you.” Speaking of dates, we cross on over to… 

2. The Bone Yard.

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Hurley is kneeling over the gravesite of Libby and replaces the dead flower with a fresh one. In a touching moment, he tells Libby he wishes she’d come back and talk to him like the other dead people. Ilana approaches to tell him they’re getting ready to leave for The Black Rock where they intend to fetch dynamite. She asks about Libby, and Hurley explains how they were going to have their first date, but she was murdered. A moment later, Hurley hears the all too familiar whispers, only to be approached by none other than Michael. “I’m here to stop you from getting everyone killed,” he tells Hurley, which is much better than “WALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLT!” And then the following annoying exchange, typical of LOST:

Hurley: “Why should I trust you?
Michael: “That doesn’t matter right now.”

Oh, okay. Good enough. I’ll just follow the ghost of the man who shot and murdered the woman I love, no questions asked. Ugh. Michael says that people are listening to Hurley now, which is why they’ll follow his lead. Suddenly, Jack appears and asks who Hurley’s talking to, to which he replies, “No one.” From there we go sideways to…

3. Spanish Johnny’s. Hurley is seated alone in a restaurant where he is eating tortilla chips, apparently stood up for his date with Rosalita. Suddenly, Libby approaches him and asks if he’s Hurley. (And by the way, Woo-hoo! It’s fucking Libby! Finally, my questions might be answered!) Hurley mistakes her for his date, but explains she’s not her. Libby leans across the table, takes his hands and asks if he believes in soul mates. She then asks him the following: “You don’t remember me, do you?” Their “meeting” is interrupted by Dr. Brooks, the same doctor from the good ol’ mental ward, who takes her away. Hurley follows them outside and sees her boarding a van with the Saint Rosa Mental Hospital emblazoned on the side. (Rosa? Rosalita? Coincidence?) We then jump back to…

4. “And boom goes the dynamite.”

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(And if you’ve never seen that clip above, I urge you to click on it now.) Richard, Ilana and the rest of the crew are planning to blow up the plane cockpit, thus disabling Smokey from leaving. Ilana points out that she’s trained her whole life to protect the candidates. Follow Michael’s lead, Hurley suggests that it might not be such a good idea, as Jacob never told him about blowing up the plane. Hell-bent on following through on what Jacob told her, she insists that they are to follow Richard’s lead. In a huff, Ilana haphazardly stuffs things in her bag and drops it to the ground, and just when she is about to explain what would happen if Smokey left – Kaboom! – Ilana goes all Arzt on everyone. And while I think she deserved a better “send-off,” she was never my favorite character, so seeing this explosion both shocked me and, well, kind of cracked me up. Meanwhile, we head to the other side of the island for…

5. Return of Zombie Sayid. FLocke is fashioning a piece of wood into what Sawyer assumes is a spear. Sawyer, who is all grumpa-lumpa, wants to know why they’re doing nothing to rescue Jin. FLocke insists that they’re waiting – that in order to get off the island, they all have to leave together, just like all had to be together to return to the island. And recanting the same line as Sawyer back in “Recon,” FLocke says, “It’s the only way we’re getting off this godforsaken rock.” Sayid then surprisingly returns and asks to speak to FLocke in private. (By the way, this episode had at least four conversations cut off by a “surprised” speaker being interrupted by a returning figure. I know that doesn’t read well, but I think you know what I mean. Just thought I’d point out that it was quite noticeable.) Sayid and FLocke head into the jungle and Sayid informs him that he let some of Widmore’s people live. He didn’t see the point in killing them once he got what he came for. (This was an odd sentiment, I thought, seeing as how a couple episodes back Sayid professed to feeling nothing. Well, here he claimed to have made a rationale decision – that is, one based on right and wrong. Not seeing the point in killing them equates to processing thought and emotion, something that now seems out of line with what we’ve seen.) A clearing emerges, where we find Desmond tied to a tree. We go back across the island to…

6. The Pouch. Hurley is going through Ilana’s things, where he comes across a book (with a cover I couldn’t make out, thought it looked like either glyphs or Latin. Anyone?), as well as her pouch containing Jacob’s ashes (that she pulled from the fire). [UPDATE: It would appear that the book was Dostoevsky’s Notes From the Underground, though I could not make the damn thing out, even from a screencap.] Richard wants to return to The Black Rock for more dynamite, so that Ilana’s death wasn’t for nothing. (And by the way, Richard’s kind of a prick in this scene.) Hurley is now agreeing that they should go with Richard, and Jack follows suit. Clearly Hurley is scheming, and seeing him emerge as a leader and deviant this season has been pretty awesome. We then go sideways to…

7. “Hello, and welcome to Mr. Clucks. May I take your order, please?”

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Hurley trudges into a Mr. Clucks and orders a family-size bucket of chicken. Strangely, the guy who takes his order is none other than actor/comedian Sam Levine, who you may remember from recent hits like Inglourious Basterds. As Hurley devours his meal, Desmond spots him from the front of the restaurant. Des approaches, saying he remembers him from Oceanic 815. He sits with Hurley while he waits for his order (42, naturally, though shouldn’t it have been 108?), and then spits out one of the funniest delivered lines I’d ever heard on LOST: “Woo, that is a lot of chicken.” (I suggest you go back and re-watch it, just for this line alone.) Hurley says he’s depressed, and goes on to tell Desmond about Libby. He claims she’s nuts, in that she said they already knew each other. Desmond is naturally intrigued by this, as this sounds all too familiar. He asks Hurley if he believes her, and Hurley says he does. With that, he tells Hurley that he should at least find out where she thinks she knows him from, and takes his leave. Speaking of Des, we then flash back to island time to…

8. Locke and Hume. Well, FLocke and Hume, but still, this is what happens when philosophers meet. FLocke apologizes for tying Desmond up, to which Desmond responds, “I have nowhere to run to, brutha’.” FLocke can’t argue with that logic and cuts away the rope. He begins questioning Desmond, and asks why Widmore brought him back to the island. Desmond doesn’t know, but tells FLocke that, “They threw me into a wooden shack and blasted me with a massive amount of electromagnetism.” When FLocke wants to know how Desmond can be so sure, he simply responds, “Experience.” FLocke pauses, looks Desmond right in the eyes, and asks, “Do you know who I am?” “Of course,” responds Desmond. A long pause passes as a concerned look crosses FLocke’s face. “You’re John Locke.” (Hmm. What do we make of this? Does Desmond really believe he’s Locke, or does he know otherwise? I mean, the pause was supposed to create that ambiguity for the audience, but I’m not sure whether or not I think Desmond knew who he was really talking to. I can see it either way, frankly. I mean, he would have no way of knowing it wasn’t John Locke, and yet there was something so deliberate about that pause that I kind of feel otherwise.) FLocke sends Sayid away, as he wants to take Desmond on a little walk. FLocke offers Desmond his hand to help him up, and unlike Sun and Kate, who both refused FLocke’s hand, Desmond takes it and rises. There must be something significant to this, only I’m uncertain what that is. We then go cross-island to…

9. Hurley, I Blew Up the Ship.

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Richard and crew are en route to The Black Rock when Ben has a typically great, Ben-like soliloquy about the demise of Ilana, in which he says that she was “hand-picked by Jacob to protect you ‘candidates.’ No sooner does she tell you then she blows up. The island was done with her. Makes me wonder what will happen when it’s done with us.” So creepy, and delivered in the sort of manner that has always made Ben my favorite character. Upon reaching the ship, Richard explains that no one but him will be going in, only to hear/see Hurley running away from it, screaming “Run!” before The Black Rock blows up behind him. A mortified Richard wants to know why Hurley would do such a thing. “I’m protecting us,” he answers. Richard is totally freaking out, and rants, “We’re all dead.” Hurley explains to Miles that it was Michael who told him to do it. Miles wants to know if it happens a lot – if people return from the dead to yell at Hurley. Hurley tells him it happens enough, and that “dead people are more reliable than alive people.” We then go sideways to…

10. The Crazies.

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The camera pulls back from a framed poster of an island to reveal Hurley sitting in Dr. Brooks’ office. He wants to see Libby, but the doctor doesn’t think she’s mentally well enough for a visitor. In one of the great comic relief lines, Hurley points out that, “Clearly she’s well enough for a fajita field trip.” In order to grease the wheels, Hurley writes out a check for $100,000 so they can upgrade their rec-room. Hurley is then inside the familiar rec-room. As the camera pans around, we see a chalkboard covered with a variety of drawings, including an island, a palm tree, water, fish, a baby carriage with a present inside of it, and what looks like an alligator. Interestingly, the alligator appears to be on the verge of devouring the island. Libby sits down with Hurley, but he still doesn’t remember her. She says she saw Hurley on a TV commercial, and that memories immediately washed over her, only they were memories from another life. She explains about the island and the plane crash, and that the two of them were there and liked each other. What’s more, she says that when she got to the mental ward, she remembered both of them being there, too. Hurley un-ironically points out that this is his first time in a mental ward, and tells Libby it took a lot of guts to approach a total stranger about “alternate universes.” Finally, Hurley asks her on a date, to which she replies, “I’d love that.” There it is again. Love. So simple, and perhaps the crux of the entire show. Also, can we assume that the folks who died on the island and were redeemed or innocent are lucid of what’s happening in the other timeline? I mean, we’ve now seen Charlie, Daniel and Libby in the other timeline, and all three of them seem to be “in the know,” so to speak. We jump sideways to…

11. Little Boy Lost.

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(That’s also the title of an old Twilight Zone episode, incidentally.) Desmond and FLocke are walking through the jungle. FLocke thinks the island has it in for Desmond. He continues to explain his point when he suddenly stops, spotting the mysterious boy from episodes past standing behind them. This time, though, it’s not just FLocke who sees him, but Desmond, as well. FLocke tells Desmond to ignore him. Desmond asks more questions, but FLocke furiously tells him again to ignore the boy. We see a bit of an ominous smile on the boy’s face as Desmond and FLocke continue on their way. We then go cross-island to…

12. The Invisible Man.

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Richard is going to the barracks to gather whatever grenades and additional explosives remain. Hurley says that what they need to do is talk to Locke, and it was Jacob who told him so. Hurley says that Jacob’s standing in front of them, and Richard wants Hurley to ask Jacob what the island is. Rather than doing so, Hurley gets all macho and tells Richard, “I don’t have to prove anything to you, Richard.” Unconvinced, Richard says Hurley’s lying, because “Jacob never tells us what to do.” In another effort to convince them to blow up the plane, Richard tells them that “if that thing leaves the island, everything’s over.” In good ol’ LOST fashion, groups are divided into factions. Ben and Miles accompany Richard, while Jack, Lapidus and Sun stick with Hurley. And in what preempts the reveal is about to make, he says, “Let’s go talk to Locke.” As they hike through the jungle in what is now nighttime, Sun is still boring and useless, asking only (via written note) whether or not what they’re doing is a mistake. Hurley asks Jack what he should say to Locke, and that he lied about seeing Jacob. Jack says he knows. He says that after Juliet’s death he wanted to fix everything, but he can’t fix it. “I can’t ever fix it,” he says, with much greater implications. He goes on to say that he has a hard time listening to others, but that maybe that’s the point of all of this: “Maybe I’m supposed to let go.” I actually really dug this scene, even though it was a lot of, well, outright telling us stuff as opposed to showing us stuff. Still, I found it potent. Suddenly, the whispers return, only Hurley knows what to do. He has them wait there and wanders out alone, where he once again encounters Michael. Now, in a scene I absolutely hated, Hurley asks if the voices are of the other people stuck on the island. Michael says they are, and the whispers belong to “the ones who can’t move on.” Umm, you mean like fucking purgatory?! Hey, writers! I thought we had a deal! Remember when you said this wasn’t purgatory? Well, essentially it is purgatory, at least in this respect. Jerks. Also, I hated how this reveal was more like a mystery that was checked off the list. Too easy and unsatisfying. Anyway, Michael points to Locke’s camp. Hurley asks if there’s anything he can do to help Michael, and he tells him to stay alive. Also, he tells Hurley that should he ever see Libby again, to please tell her that he’s genuinely sorry. That was actually kind of touching, albeit hokey. We then go sideways to…

13. The Picnic.

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Hurley spreads a blanket out on the beach for he and Libby, and the two of them enjoy, as Libby puts it, “The date we never had.” Hurley can’t understand why she would want to be with him. She says it’s because she likes him, and as she kisses Hurley he is flooded with memories of he and Libby on the island. At last, he remembers her – he remembers being with her. From there the camera pans over to Desmond, who has happily watched all of this from his car. So, it would seem that Desmond is playing the role of Jacob to some extent, in that he’s “pushing” the Oceanic folks, to “show them something” as he put it in “Happily Ever After.” Or is he? Jacob, as Richard pointed out, never told them what to do. He didn’t get involved, so to speak, but provided choices. But, we’ll get to this in a minute. First, we flash sideways again to…

14. The Well. FLocke and Desmond approach an old well. (Is it the same well Locke climbed down, the one where he turned the frozen donkey wheel?) I don’t recall what FLocke says to Desmond to prompt this response, but Des replies, “You read my mind,” which I thought was ironic considering he was saying it to Smokey. FLocke goes on to tell Desmond about the well, that it was very old. He said that people dug it by hand. They were looking for answers because standing over that spot made their compass needles spin. He tells Desmond that, no, they didn’t find what they were looking for. He then goes on to point out that Widmore doesn’t want answers; he wants power, and that’s why Widmore brought Desmond back. Desmond takes all of this in nonchalantly, which prompts FLocke to ask, “Why aren’t you afraid?” Desmond’s response: “What’s the point in being afraid?” FLocke’s face quickly shifts from an agreeing smile to downright evil as he pushes Desmond down into the well. Do I think he was intending to kill Desmond? No. Do I think he wanted him to find something down there? Yes. FLocke returns to camp and tells Sayid they won’t have to worry about Des anymore. Sawyer asks where he’s been, and is interrupted by Hurley walking into their camp. Hurley says he doesn’t know who or what FLocke is, but they need to talk. He doesn’t want anyone hurt, so FLocke hands over his knife as a sign of good faith and says Hurley has his word. Jack and company emerge from the jungle. FLocke spots him, smiles, and says, “Hello, Jack.” The look of terror on Jack’s face might say it all, that this was in fact a bad idea. In the final scene, we again go sideways to…

15. Desmond Hume, Pedophile. Des is sitting in his car outside of the school where John Locke teaches, when suddenly Ben knocks on his window. He wants to know why he’s there, and Des says that he just moved into the neighborhood and is looking for a school for his son, Charlie. Ben assures him it’s a good school. Desmond thanks him for the conversation. As Ben moves off, Desmond guns the engine and runs the wheelchair-bound John Locke over, flipping him over the roof of his car. (Jesus, another car accident for Locke?!) Ben takes off running for Locke and tells someone to call 911. He turns Locke over, and even though he’s still breathing he looks similar to when he was pushed from his father’s building. Now, here is where I question the Desmond as Jacob thing, as this doesn’t seem, well, Jacobian to intervene in such a manner. Sure, one might argue that Desmond is merely intervening to “wake” John up and get him to Jack Shephard at the hospital, but I say feh to that. Why? Because an accident of that severity would most likely kill a person, not merely injure him. So, was this, then, a response to his being pushed down a well by (F)Locke? I mean, is he at that state of lucidity where he is aware of the circumstances in both timelines/realities? Was it some sort of revenge? Thoughts?

Well, that’s gonna’ have to do it for this week as I’m downright pooped. All in all, I really dug this episode despite a few things I strongly disliked. It was jammed with moments that were really exciting in terms of mythology, not to mention a great exchange between Desmond and FLocke at the well.

With that, I bid you farewell. Until next time, have at it, you vultures.

BD

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Responses

  1. Ok, here goes:

    1. One thing which I’m surprised you didn’t mention but was something that I was wondering was when teh 2 explosions happened on the island that no one else on the other parts were like “what was that?” Ok, maybe I give Ilana’s explosion (definitely didn’t mind seeing her killed) as a small one that might not have been heard but the 2nd one, would have had smoke in the air (ignoring the obvious Smokey pun there) and everyone would have been able to see it or hear it. I thought that’s something that FLocke’s camp should have been asking questions about.

    2. I know they explained why Libby was in the mental ward in the sideways flash, but I still don’t understand why she was there in the island timeline story.

    3. Along those lines, I sort of disagree with you about her, Charlie, and Daniel being “in the know”. Daniel is as we saw but I think Libby and Charlie are chalking it up to a “deja vu” sort of feeling. It’s not like they’re trying to figure out how they know these things, they’re just accepting it and going with it.

    4. I didn’t have any issues with the Michael scenes and nor did I have a problem with what the whisper were (although yes, that does sound like purgatory to me). I figured Hurley listened to Michael right away for the reason that he later gave, why would Michael be lying to him?

    5. I also disagree about your thoughts on Sayid. I felt his actions were more like a machine and that he targetted his objective and achieved it and so he returned back to the base. Unless FLocke told him “if they see you, kill them”, then Sayid followed his orders and even bettered them by bring Desmond back (since all FLocke wanted to know was what the secret was and not bring it to me).

    6. I tend to side with that Desmond thought that FLocke was Locke. He left the island and has no way of knowing that Locke is actually dead and I don’t think Widmore said anything to him about Locke. Now, maybe Desmond can sort of realize it’s not Locke but then again, maybe at most he just thinks that Locke is “infected”.

    Furthermore, I don’t think FLocke originally had plans to kill Desmond as he didn’t even know Desmond was coming back. I think all FLocke wanted was information about why Desmond was brought back and then decided to lock (no pun intended) him up and make sure that Widmore can’t use him.

    I also thought it was the same well that Locke climbed down but then again didn’t FLocke say there were multiple wells on the island? Also, I thought the well that Locke went down was near a station and this one was out in the middle of nowhere.

    7. Who is the boy? Especially with that devilish smile that pissed off FLocke? Has to be a young Jacon or someone like that because why is FLocke getting so frustrated by seeing him and yet not trying to kill him?

    8. I loved how Richard called Hurley’s bluff which also takes us back to how Hurley told Richard how his wife had 1 last message that we never saw her tell Hurley. Since Hurley is a pretty honest character, I don’t see him making that up especially now since Richard is hell bent on blowing up the plane. You’d think if Hurley made that up he would have said so by now.

    9. I still don’t quite understand why Desmond ran over Locke. At first I thought he was there to talk but then it became pretty clear he was going to drill him with the car. On one hand, maybe he was trying to wake up Locke. On the other, maybe he was getting revenge. If I had to choose, I think he’s trying to make Locke conscious of the island timeline because usually when Desmond is switching between timelines, he’s unconscious in one of them and not awake simultaneously.

    Probably enough for now.

    • Let me add one last point to my original post:

      10. The look between Jack and FLocke was priceless as you can tell FLocke is very happy to see Jack and Jack has no idea what is about to happen.

    • Okay, dochielomn, here *I* go:

      1. Splitting hairs. Yes, you’re technically totally right about this, but again it wasn’t significant for the writers to include. Frankly, it didn’t bother me one bit.

      2. Exactly. They didn’t explain it. Again, I guess we can assume that maybe she was simply nutty in the real island timeline and checked herself in, but why leave that up to us when having her return to the show? I mean, why not just answer the damn question on this one?!

      3. When I say “in the know,” there’s no denying that the three of them have a knowledge they shouldn’t have. Maybe you’re reading “in the know” too literally. Again, there’s no denying that three characters share a common bond in the island timeline, and now a common bond in the sideways timeline.

      4. To be perfectly honest, I’m starting to wonder if A) Michael was being “honest” with Hurley; and B) if that was really Michael? I’ll have to explain later, but if there’s one thing we’ve pretty much seen consistently out of Michael is that he can’t really be trusted. Well, why should we outright trust him now? What if, like Smokey, he’s bound to the island? Or what if he’s a servant to Jacob somehow? The mind reels.

      5. I can go either way on this point. Either way, let’s just agree that Sayid has done a LOT with so LITTLE in terms of the acting.

      6. Yeah, I don’t think it was the same well either, as he made the point of saying it wasn’t the only well. Here’s another thought, courtesy (I think) of Doc Jensen: what if FLocke is actually John Locke? What if FLocke is inhabiting the sideways Locke? You’ll have to go over to his site to read it, but it’s a fascinating concept.

      7. More and more it’s starting to look like the boy is a young Jacob, but I still contend that it’s Aaron. For now.

      8. I also said that I thought Hurley was lying about the message from Alpert’s wife. Funny, then, that Alpert would believe Hurley when it suits Alpert.

      9. Another thought on this is that sideways Desmond is now aware of all things that have happened, which is what I was getting at above. In other words, perhaps he now has a grasp on his own past, present and future in the sideways timeline, and is reacting/proactively acting in response to said events.

      10. That’s the funny thing. I actually think Jack knows EXACTLY what’s going to happen. That is, he knows it’s something way bad.

      Thanks for all your comments, sir. You’re a mensch.

  2. “Dead people are more reliable than alive people.” My favorite line from the show.
    Also, my head almost exploded when Michael said the voices were all the people who died on the island. That means all those times Michael heard those voices between screams for Walt, he was hearing himself.

    Speaking of explosions, Ilana opened her bag to show the festering dynamite sticks which she was reminded were VERY UNSTABLE and then proceeded to toss crap into the bag on top of it, including a giant bottle of water and people were surprised she blew up.

    Remember when that one dude blew up just by looking at it? That was an EASY out for Ilana.

    And anyone who didn’t know Des was getting tossed down that well probably can’t believe it’s not butter. I think Flocke wants him to find something, too. What would be the point of that nifty speech if that weren’t the case.

    Also, Desmond directed the Hurley/Libby reunion and ran Locke over with the car after his heart-to-heart with Eloise. Isn’t there some component of control by Eloise/Widmore to be considered for his actions for/against people in the parallel world? Less about him for himself?

    And the preview for next week with the Willy Wonka thing? “There’s no earthy way of knowing..which direction we are going..”

    Willy Wonka. Looking for a replacement to take over his kingdom. I’m just sayin’.

    • Hey there, lafix. Let me address your comments in order (as I’m all OCD like that):

      1. I still hated this explanation for the voices. That is, I hated how matter-of-fact they were about the explanation. Blah.

      2. Couldn’t agree more with the Ilana scene. Again, she makes the point of having trained for this her whole life, yet haphazardly tosses all of that shit into her bag and essentially drops it on the ground?! What’s more, what were the rest of them thinking? They all know how volatile the dynamite is. You think they might have mentioned it?

      3. Completely agree. Still, the look on FLocke’s face just before pushing Des was insanely awesome. And you nailed it. There’s no reason to discuss everything with Desmond beforehand if he didn’t intend for him to find something.

      4. I’m not quite sure what you’re saying in regards to your Eloise/Widmore comments.

      5. Ugh. I didn’t watch the preview for next week. Again, I ask people not to address them here, as I don’t watch beforehand. No worries, though. You’re a good kid. Funny that it’s regarding Wonka, though, as I used the term “grumpa-lumpa” in my post, thinking about oompa-loompas. Also, there’s a great article by the author of The Myth of Lost in the New York Times comparing several elements of Lost and Willy Wonka. Can’t think of his name, but he wrote it a while back. It’s fantastic. (At least, I think he’s the one wrote it.)

      Thanks for the comments.

  3. “who is all grumpa-lumpa”

    Can I just say – BEST phrase ever?!

    Anyhoodle, yes, good episode. A couple of things really stuck out to me too. Most importantly Sayid not killing ALL of Widmore’s men, only the ones without a name or a previous line of dialogue. Oh, so merciful. It totally goes against, well, everything we’ve seen previously from him. After his dip in the pool-o-death he becomes Robo-Sayid, showing no mercy and taking all orders without question. What I’m really curious about is, why so worried about Des in the first place, Sayid? He obviously knows something is/should be/will be happening concerning him and doesn’t want it to happen. I know! Throwing him down an electromagnetic well will totally take care of that bastard! Genius.

    And what’s up with the creepy boy? He looks older than when we previously saw him. He obviously unnerves Flocke, which makes me think that its NOT a ghostly representation of Jacob, as the man in black had nothing but contempt for him, not fear nor respect. I also wonder why some people are able to see him, while others can’t. To follow up with the idea that this is some after-lifey arena of purgatory, perhaps the island is the playing field, the man in black and Jacob are the opposing teams, and the little boy is the ref? (God even?)

    And seriously writers? I agree, it was a bit cheap to just let everyone know that the whispers are dead people stuck. LAME-O. Perhaps you should have timed your season better, writers. Now you wouldn’t be cramming everything in with only 4 or 5 eps to go.

    • Thanks, a. As you can see in my response to lafix, I was channeling Willy Wonka.

      1. Umm, thank you. That was pretty much spot-on what I said regarding Sayid. He himself said that he doesn’t feel anything anymore, and yet here we have him exercising rationale and judgement?! It’s contradictory to what we’ve seen to this point.

      2. Again, I still contend that the little boy is Aaron. And if your analogy held true, Aaron was, of course, a rather prominent figure in the Bible.

      3. Yeah, this is what I’ve been complaining about all season: pacing. They’ve written themselves into a corner and now feel the need to answer everything at such a rapid-fire pace. The dialogue and turn of events lose their natural progression because of this, and it’s unfortunate.

      Thanks, lady.

      • Maybe they’re going to surprise us and give us a whole ‘nother season of Lost!

  4. i was convinced your #14 would have been subtitled “throw the scot down the well.” i feel cheated.

    b, i know you don’t like hearing about the previews… but, right on, that “stop the boat” montage was pretty damn cool.

    • Damn you! I’m half-tempted to change it now.

      And, fine, perhaps because you and lafix referenced the trailer for next week, I’ll give it a look.

  5. Ok, just easier to add something new down here then reply on top of a lengthy reply (which I always appreciate your responses- makes for good discussion):

    1. I brought up the explosion thing because earleir we’ve discussed small details like “why didn’t FLocke turn into Smokey to chase after someone rather than use human form and ran after someone?” Plus, right now, we’re geering up for some sort of battle/war so if I’m elsewhere on the island and I hear 2 explosions, I’m wondering what’s going on.

    3. It seems like Daniel knows that something else is going on but that’s because he got a full explanation about his physics equations that he suddenly was able to write down. And yes, it’s interesting how these characters died on the island and now have a “knowledge” of themselves in a different time/place. Does that mean that Eko or Anna Lucia come back and also remember things (amongst others that died on the island)?

    4. I think after Michael committed murder, his whole boat scene death sort sort of was his saving grace and that he was now even. But if he’s trapped on the island, maybe not. I still think we can trust him but originally whe we first saw him, I thought it might be Smokey posing as Michael to fool Hurley.

    5. Sayid has always been one of my favorite characters.

    6. I stopped reading Doc Jensen because he got too into all of the small details (stuff like, did you note that Jack walked and started with his left foot and in the Mayan culture this means this and this related to Epyptian culture by this…. I say FEH to all of that) that I didn’t really care about. He seemed too focus on the details rather than plotlines and meaning. But I’ll give his column a read.

    8. That’s my point. Hurley isn’t a liar (or at least, not a good one). He came clean to Jack even after Jack publicly backed him up (and Jack thought he was lying). So I doubt he lied about that line to Richard back in that episode.

    9. As I said, I’m still trying to figure out sideways flash Desmond and what he knows in terms of the island timeline.

    10. I just loved their exchanged looks and sets up for something good to happen next episode (assuming they stay with this, which considering everyone is there, I think they sort of have to).

    • 1. Again, you’re totally right about their failure to notice the explosion. Call it lazy writing.

      3. I suppose that depends on whether or not Eko and Ana Lucia were redeemed. See, Libby was essentially an innocent soul who was murdered. Charlie redeemed himself by sacrificing himself for the others in the Looking Glass Station. And Faraday was shot dead, and essentially an innocent character himself. Sort of. I don’t know if that necessarily applies to Eko and Ana Lucia.

      4. Agreed. I mean, I thought that was the whole point of the “You can die now” scene with him and Christian.

      6. Doc Jensen, even when long-winded, is essential LOST reading material, as far as I’m concerned. Again, I don’t read his (or anyone’s) column until after I’ve written mine.

      8. No, I still don’t buy it. Why have that whole scene with Alpert’s wife and Hurley channeling her only to end it by having Hurley speak for her without showing her first saying it? Something felt very wrong about that.

      10. Keep in mind, this is the first they’ve seen each other since Jack put his grandfather’s shoes on Locke’s corpse. And, what’s more, HE LIVES!!!

      • Ok, well, let’s review Eko. According to Jacob (or someone else), the island is a place where you get a fresh new start and doesn’t matter what your past sins were. I don’t think Eko killed anyone on the island and he was becoming a religious man an was truly sorry for his past. Smokey eventually murders Eko, so then in the sideways flash, shouldn’t he be remembering stuff as well? Seems pretty innocent to me. Meanwhile, didn’t Charlie shoot Ethan in cold blood? Granted, Ethan tried to kill him previously and had kidnapped Claire and such but still Charlie had a choice and still pulled the trigger even though I think Ethan was trapped or they had a chance to take him alive.

        As for Doc Jensen, I use to always look forward to reading his columns about Lost but then this year, early on, one of his columns was 8 pages long and i found myself skipping about 4 of the pages because he was going on and on about some small detail that I totally didn’t care about. Like you, I was curious to see what book Ilana had but after a few seconds of trying to see what it was, I didn’t care because in terms of storyline, the title of the book isn’t going to come into play. Now I understand the story of the book (amongst other details like that) might be a cool insight into Lost but at this time, not something I really care about. The details I’m more interested in are which names were on the wall or on the lighhouse wheel because at least those apply to the storyline.

        • I don’t know how true that is, though, about the island being a place where you start over. And even if it is, it would appear that these people are all still flawed in the same ways, or at least begin that way. That is, upon reaching the island, Sawyer, for instance, is still conning people. Sayid still tortures people. Charlie is still doing smack and so forth. And I don’t know if it’s about doing these things, but REDEEMING yourself for doing these things. Sure, Charlie shot Ethan, but Ethan also hung him from a tree and kidnapped Claire, the woman he loves.

          Yeah, his latest post was 10 pages in length, but as someone who has always dug the mythology/easter eggs, Doc Jensen is right up my alley. I love the clues. I love all of the literary allusions and the numbers and relevant photographs and so forth. That shit delights me to no end.

          • Then my question is how did Libby redeem herself? She was just an innocent person on the island that was murdered, just like Eko (except he was killed by Smokey and not a Lostie). But what did Eko do to not be innocent while on the island? Same for someone like Shannon who got capped by Ana Lucia (in a mistake). She seems innocent to me. I guess my problem is that if you’re showing one person, then you got to show them all for my taste otherwise I’ll ask why wasn’t so and so included (of course, the obvious answer being that the writers forgot or the producers couldn’t get those other people to show up again on the show)

  6. dochielomn writes:

    “Then my question is how did Libby redeem herself? She was just an innocent person on the island that was murdered, just like Eko (except he was killed by Smokey and not a Lostie). But what did Eko do to not be innocent while on the island? Same for someone like Shannon who got capped by Ana Lucia (in a mistake). She seems innocent to me. I guess my problem is that if you’re showing one person, then you got to show them all for my taste otherwise I’ll ask why wasn’t so and so included (of course, the obvious answer being that the writers forgot or the producers couldn’t get those other people to show up again on the show)”

    Libby didn’t need to redeem herself. That’s my point. She was innocent. The only thing she was guilty of was hanging out with Michelle Rodriguez and getting a DUI. On the show, she didn’t need to be redeemed. Eko, however, did a lot of questionable, illegal shit. He never managed to redeem himself, apparently. At least, that’s how it might seem at this point. Smokey passed judgement and deemed him “guilty.” Shannon? Well, she was just kind of a pain in the ass. Also, I’m just assuming the writers couldn’t convince her to come back, so they washed their hands of her.

    • So finding religion and trying to become a good person isn’t redeeming? I’ll go out on a limb and say that if Eko was given a choice about sacrificing himself for the good of the Losties or just stay alive, I’ll guess that the island version of Eko sacrifices himself. I understand Libby and I think I threw out a good example of Shannon (yes, she was annoying) to counter Libby in the totally innocent and not really doing anything too bad pre-island (other than maybe conning Boone out of some money). I forget, did we actually get a Libby episode ever? I know she showed up in Hurley’s and she showed up somewhere else being married to someone but I don’t recall an episode that focussed on her pre-island activities. All I’m really trying to do is point out that there are some other characters who should have this memory thing going on in the sideways flash but for whatever reason, we probably won’t see them (especially someone like Shannon since she wasn’t on the plane according to Boone and so Desmond would have no way to know about her).

      • Well, I think others WILL have this sideways flash going on. My point wasn’t that ONLY Libby, Daniel and Charlie were going to experience it; rather, I was saying that it’s interesting that the three of them all died on the island and all three seemed to be redeemed or good souls. I think that, definitely, other sideways folks will be “shown” the light by Desmond.

  7. Okay, so my theory last week isn’t looking so bad yet. That’s good.

    This episode marked the transformation of the character’s attitudes. They went from, “whatever happened, happened” to island Desmond’s attitude of, “whatever happens, happens.” All of them are making plans up as they go along, and they’re fine with that.

    Miles was surprised by Hurley’s reveal that the dead people yell at him and tell him what to do. I got the feeling that Miles doesn’t totall buy it. As someone who has experience commuicating with the dead, it seems that something rang false to him. Here’s a thought: what if some of Hurley’s communication with the dead is imagined, jst like when he had his imaginary friend? Nevertheless, I do think Michael came to him. And when Mike said, “a lot of people will die,” I don’t think he meant the people on the island. I think he meant the whole LA X reality will die.

    Purgatory? In a sense, but these people can’t pass on, not to heaven, but to the other reality! The place where Charlotte and Julliet hinted at before their deaths.

    What’s more is that Desmond is now aware of almost everything. He said his son’s name was Charlie without hesitation. Island Desmond asked what the point of fear was because he knowss that “this” isn’t all there is. He has nowhere to run to because physically, you can’t get there. Only your consciousness can travel there.

    That being said, someone on the island (a main character) has to die so we, as an audience, can see this first hand. My guess…. either Jin (that number 42 has been used A LOT in the alt) o Sawyer. Sawyer because he’s got to be getting under Smokey’s skin or Jin because as soon as Widmore is done with him… He’ll no sooner tell them about the energy pockets than Widmore will have him killed. Maybe.

    As far as teacher Locke… I have a couple of theories: Jack will save him, while Claire is giving birth, and Sun is being operated on, etc (like Brandon has elluded to before) or…. “Of course, you’re John Locke.”

    Like I said, Desmond seems to be cognizant of both places now. As per my theory last week, maybe Desmond killed alt Locke and sent his soul to the island reality. Maybe Smokey has been Locke the whole time, but from the wrong place. Which is why he had a crazy mother. And why his body and humanity were taken. And why he just wants to go home. AND it’s why the rules say you can’t kill “them.” Becase it sends them to the LA X reality, and the knowledge of it[ existence threatens the island reality!

    Oh, also… the lighthouse mirrors… 3 mirrors. 3 dimensons?

    • Okay, MM, I’m numbering my responses to your paragraphs:

      1. Someone — Doc Jensen? — made the same point, MM. Basically, he agreed and said they appear to be “going with the flow,” so to speak. Really, it’s most evidenced by Desmond (on island), Hurley and Jack, especially when he outright says he had to “learn to let go.”

      2. I’m not sure about the Hurley thing. You could be right, but I subscribe to the notion that when he’s seeing ghosts (and WE’RE seeing them, as well), he’s really seeing ghosts. Mark Orlamer (sp) talks about this in mythology/literature. Basically, he makes the point that when ghosts or spiritis appear to the living, they almost ALWAYS are there to tell the truth, and that’s pretty spot-on if you consider your literature/mythology.

      3. Okay, but your notion suposses, then, that the other reality is heaven. I mean, if you’re talking about the dead passing on to the other reality, you’re essentially saying that the sideways reality isn’t an earthly thing, and I don’t agree with that.

      4. You have to keep in mind that Desmond is special. His consciousness — his sudden lucidity — is now present in multiple realities. He has the ability to access information in both timelines, which is why the name Charlie came so easily.

      5. I’m not following why someone has to die, but, yes, I do think that one of the Kwons will inevitably die and they will never be together.

      6. That’s the thing I don’t like with him running Locke down. Seriously, how can you presume that running him over won’t kill him?! He’s an aging man in a wheelchair, for God’s sake! Yes, he’ll end up at the hospital with Jack and everyone else, but I don’t buy that Desmond takes that chance simply to get him to Jack. He would have had to have known that running him down wouldn’t kill him.

      7. Not sure I’m following your logic on Smokey/Locke.

      8. Nor your thoughts on the lighthouse mirror. What is this third dimension?

      • “3. Okay, but your notion suposses, then, that the other reality is heaven. I mean, if you’re talking about the dead passing on to the other reality, you’re essentially saying that the sideways reality isn’t an earthly thing, and I don’t agree with that.”

        3) No, no, no. You have to let go of your traditional ideas of purgatory, heaven, and hell. Is the island, “hell” as Richard and the MiB once stated? Yes, in a sense. But not actual fire and brimstone. Is the island purgatory for Michael and others like him? Again, yes, but not in the traditional sense. Only in the aspect that they can’t leave and move on. One of the realities is going to win out, but both are real and earthly, in my opinion. However, as Daniel stated, one was a life they were never supposed to live. So the trapped souls need to move on to their real reality. Not heaven to all, just heaven to some. The island is a cork. Are these trapped souls darkness as Jacob suggested? Maybe, since they’ve done things that have prevented them from leaving. But are they all evil? Well, their chance for redemption lies in the alternate reality. Why Jacob wouldn’t want them to redeem themselves, who knows?

        “5. I’m not following why someone has to die, but, yes, I do think that one of the Kwons will inevitably die and they will never be together.”

        5) Someone has to die just from a writing stand point. It’ll be the quickest way of showing the audience what actually happens when they die. We’ve only recieved clues about their deaths (Julliet and Charlotte) but we haven’t seen what happens to their, “souls” when they go. Obviously, some souls are trapped on the island. But, what about those that aren’t? The most convienent way of showing us is by having someone die and taking us through the process. And I think all the 42s in the alt reality is a big foreshadowing of things to come.

        “6. That’s the thing I don’t like with him running Locke down. Seriously, how can you presume that running him over won’t kill him?! He’s an aging man in a wheelchair, for God’s sake! Yes, he’ll end up at the hospital with Jack and everyone else, but I don’t buy that Desmond takes that chance simply to get him to Jack. He would have had to have known that running him down wouldn’t kill him.”

        6) I was saying that maybe Desmond wanted to kill him. Although, all the people that have had any type of lucidity have been those that have had loves on the island. Locke’s love was off island. So maybe a near death experience was the only way to “show” him anything. But I think Desmond wanted to kill Locke in the LA X reality to shuttle his soul back to the island reality.

        “8. Nor your thoughts on the lighthouse mirror. What is this third dimension?”

        8) Yeah, that’s the thing; I don’t know. All we saw was a house. I wish we could’ve seen people, or an inanimate object before Jack smashed the mirrors. But I was thinking, maybe one mirror showed the original timeline, the other showed the alternate timeline, and one showed the flashbacks? Who knows. We don’t neccessarily know if we can trust all the flashbacks as flashbacks from the original timeline.

        – Again, I think that Michael was talking about the LA X reality when he said that a lot of people will die if he blows up that plane. I also think that the little boy is somehow an avatar of the island itself. I believe that Jacob knows of the alternate timeline too. What I was saying about Smokey is, what if somehow, Jacob took a Locke from an alternate timeline and made him into Smokey? He’s trapped and wants to go home, to his reality. Wouldn’t it jive with all the things he’s said; “I’ve lost someone I loved. He took my body, my humanity. I had a crazy mother, etc.”

        And no, I don’t consider the slideshow a mirror moment for Hurley. And I’m not sure what that means for him.

        What I do know, is, that all the candidates are now in one place (except Jin, if he is the Kwon candidate) like FLocke wanted. Now what? And what did Jack realize when he and FLocke exchanged greetings/stares?

        • Yeah, I just watched the Well scene again, and when FLocke asks Desmond why he isn’t afraid, his whole argument was, “You’re out here, with me…” As if he understood that Desmond knew he was someone to fear. That line, and the way it was delivered, implied that Desmond really did know who FLocke was.

          • Yeah, I’m still on the fence with all of this, and I can’t say that Desmond’s being tossed down the well was really a surprise to Desmond?!

        • Also, I don’t know if it has any signifcance, but the licnese plate on Desmond’s car changes. When he leaves the beach, it’s 4PCI264. When running down Locke, it’s 2FAN321. Not sure what it means, if anything.

        • 3. I agree that both realities are, well, real. That is, I don’t think one is an “afterlife” or “what if” reality. Rather, I think both are very real. It’s all a matter of consciousness. Like Daniel said in the sideways reality, he doesn’t think he made the right decision in the island timeline. He is somehow aware of both realities even though he doesn’t really understand the physics or why of it. Again, he had to have his notes translated in the sideways reality. Now, do I still think these two realities are going to somehow converge? Absolutely. And as far as “evil” goes, I still say the terms is relative, as is “good.” For instance, if you subscribe to the theories of John Locke the philosopher, “good” is viewed in terms of the most people having the best outcome, even if it means “bad” methods were used to achieved the greater good.

          5. But we HAVE seen people die on the island who have reappeared in the sideways reality. I get your point about the writers showing us what happens, but we’ve seen Charlie, Libby, Faraday, Charlotte, Mikhail, Keamy, etc. in the sideways reality, all of whom died on the island. Speaking of Juliet, I think we’re going to see her in the sideways world, perhaps delivering Claire’s baby?

          6. Any chance that, should Locke survive the most recent car accident (and he will), Jack will, in fact, fix him. I mean, here we’ve seen Jack always trying to fix everyone, and failing. Perhaps we actually see this Locke not only saved, but healed completely? Just a thought.

          8. We DID see more than his childhood house. We also saw the setting of Sun and Jin’s wedding. I think we saw something else, too, but now I’m blanking on what it was.

          Finally, it definitely seems that FLocke has some sort of shared consciousness with Locke, as they have uttered some of the same lines and share similar biographical info in terms of, how you said, crazy mothers and such. Not sure I agree with you on the boy as island avatar. In fact, I don’t. And as far as what Jack realized upon seeing Locke, I’m not really sure. All I know is that he was clearly freaked out, as he hadn’t seen Locke since, well, he was a corpse.

  8. So the well was dug so long ago that it had to be dug by hand, implying that shovels weren’t invented yet. But, they had compasses?

    • Funny, Richie, as I, too, thought that was somewhat paradoxical at the time, especially considering that the shovel seems like more of a rudimentary tool.

  9. Ummmm, Richie… I don’t think they meant literally, “by hand.” I think it was meant that there wasn’t any modern machinery to aide them.

    By the way…. SLAMMED!

    CB! A quick plug, if you please. This Saturday night, 10:30pm eastern, Larry, with myself and face ventura are going to do a blogtalk show called, “SLAMMED!” Basically, they’re going to get drunk before the show and just ramble on. I don’t drink, so I’m the sober voice of reason…

    • By all means, I urge all you good people to check out Major Minority’s show on Blog Talk Radio. Furthermore, MM, throw a link up here for the peeps.

      • Thanks CB! But yeah, my show is nonsense and tomfoolery, the people don’t need to hear that.

        But, the SLAMMED! show should be great, because it’ll be drunken nonsense and tomfoolery.

        I figured I’d let the people (and especially you) know because it might be up their alley.

        http://www.blogtalkradio.com/major-minority-report

        Thanks. You’re a swell fella.

  10. Do TV shows or movies ever have a hot studly man fall in love with a fat slobby woman? (a la Hurley and Libby)

    • Sure. Didn’t you ever watch Roseanne?

      • John Goodman is a hot studly man?

        • Umm, no. He’s a bear. Sheesh! Don’t you know anything?

          • What attractive guy was on that show that was hitting on Roseanne? She was married to John Goodman on the show and Tom Arnold in real life.

            How about the movie Truth About Cats and Dogs where some guy falls for Janeane Garafoalo over Uma Thurman. I vaguely remember something like that.

  11. Yeah, I get what you’re saying CB. Jack was shocked to see Locke because last he saw, Locke was dead. But the whole episode they were talking about going to talk to Locke and the Smoke Monster. He heard Hurley and FLocke speaking. He shouldn’t have been that surprised. But I’m probably reading too much in to it.

    Also, anyone else think that boring ol’ Sun can’t speak English because her Korean-only alternate consiousness is dying and trying to enter the island Sun?

    Oh, and did anyone else catch Sayid asking FLocke about Desmond by basically saying, “How’s our mutual friend?” Nice.

    • No, I think you’re right to point this out, as I, too, considered this. In other words, why be so surprised? I think that when he actually SAW Locke/FLocke it either made him realize what he was really looking at, or the enormity of staring into the eyes of a dead man struck him.

      I don’t know if that’s the case with Sun, but either way, who fucking cares?! Again, the writers have rendered her useless. Watching Sawyer and Kate stomp around like babies was pretty lame, too.

      And by the way, I knew I never liked Ilana’s character for a reason. She was essentially pointless. I mean, here was the person who was going to protect the candidates per Jacob, and in the end she didn’t do a goddamn thing but wave her gun around.

      • I think the exchange between Jack and FLocke is more like FLocke saying “hello Jack” in terms of the spider saying hello to the fly (as the fly enters the spider’s web). I think Jack is questioning his choice to follow Hurley right to FLocke right at that moment..

        As far as Ilana, yeah, I don’t think she really did anything. In her only attempt to save the canidates from Smokey’s attack on the temple, Jack and Hurley were already gone and Kate left them to try to save Claire. Sun was already with her, so she doesn’t count and Jin had wondered off into the jungle too. Sawyer was also long gone and Sayid had “turned to the dark side”, so her scene there was basically pointless. I think the only thing she really did was a) bring Sayid back to the island adn b) show us that Locke was inside the coffin.

        • Yeah, I think that’s a pretty good read on the scene.

          Well, the only other significant thing Ilana did that may or may not have had an impact was burning down Jacob’s cabin. She and her crew were pretty fucking weak and unimportant. And considering she was visited in the hospital by Jacob (all bandaged up), shouldn’t there be more to it? I mean, that’s gonna’ have to come back into play somehow, right?

          • You’d hope/think that we would get some sort of backstory as to what happened to her to cause her to be in that kind of condition and even how she met Jacob (because it looked like she knew him already by then) but with so few episodes left, I’m not confident that the writers got around to that info.

  12. In response to dochielomn’s comment:

    “You’d hope/think that we would get some sort of backstory as to what happened to her to cause her to be in that kind of condition and even how she met Jacob (because it looked like she knew him already by then) but with so few episodes left, I’m not confident that the writers got around to that info.”

    Here’s why they HAVE to address this:

    A) They made a point of showing us the scene of Jacob visiting her in the hospital in the season 5 finale;

    B) They made a point of showing her completely bandaged at the time; and

    C) They made a point of re-showing and adding onto that scene in the season 6 premiere.

    Now, why show us all of these things if they aren’t significant? I have one other thought, but it can’t possibly be right as it seems ludicrous:

    Ilana isn’t dead. The dynamite didn’t kill her; it merely injured her. When we see her in the hospital, it is somehow a result of the dynamite explosion, and that scene is taking place AFTER the scene on the island.

    Again, I don’t think this is the case, but who the hell knows.

  13. In respons to CB’s comment when responding to Docheilomn’s comment.

    Yeah Brandon, you’re nuttier than Tina Fey’s crotch with that one. Which is my polite way of saying, I don’t think so. But then again, I don’t have a better solution.

    I do think they have to address it somehoe, but who knows? Maybe she was also caught in an EM feild/pulse/explosion and was burned that way.

    • All I know is that if they fail to fill us in on the relationship between Jacob and Ilana and what in the hell she was doing all bandaged up in that hospital, that could surpass the not knowing why Libby was in the mental ward as the biggest unanswered question on the show.

      At this point, I still want more on the numbers than, “Jacob had a thing for numbers.” Pfft.

  14. I thought Libby was in the mental ward because her husband, David, had died.

    • No, they never confirmed that. When Libby appeared in the mental ward in the real timeline, it was when the camera panned away from Hurley and — pow! — there she was. They never explained, not even in this episode, just what in the fuck she was doing there.

      • In grand scheme of things, I just don’t see how they’ll make Ilana as important to the rest of the story. I know they showed us some scenes with her but as of right now, it looks like she was basically pointless other than to show us that Locke was in the coffin and to tell us that we have canidates to replace Jacob.

        As for her not being dead, I got to think she is in the island timeline. Mainly because of Ben’s line “the island is done with her”, If you’re proposing that somehow she survived the explosion and landed back in time and that’s how she’s all bandaged up, I’m not sure how they pull that one off.

        • Yes, the island might be done with her, but do you honestly think the writers will outright gloss over the entire storyline of her meeting with Jacob? I mean, even more than wanting to know why they had a special relationship, I want to know why she was bandaged from head to toe. That seems a bit too odd to simply skip over, yes?

  15. I’m telling you, it makes too much sense for Ilana not to have been bandaged because of the electro magentism. They showed the guy in the box fried to death, right? Apparantly, these EM energy pockets are a huge deal.

    And as far as Libby, I think we’ll just have to assume she went crazy because of her husband’s death. I don’t think we’ll see too much more of her, although, you never know. On the island, she helped Claire recover her lost memories, so maybe she’ll be another conduit, along with Desmond, in helping others, “remember.”

    • Wait, what are you talking about? I mean, in which instance have we ever seen Ilana exposed to electromagnetism, particularly now that she’s dead? Are you saying she was a test subject on the island before returning to protect the candidates?

      Eh, I don’t know. That’s unsatisfying as far as I’m concerned.

  16. Also, I watched the, “Happily Ever After” episode again. I love wordplay, and I caught that, after Desmond flashed back to the island, Zoe called him, “Mr. Cooperative.” As in, he’s going with the flow, but also, co-operative. As in, he’s functioning together, with himself. Both the alt reality and island reality Desmond operating in conjunction. Cute.

    • Nice obersvation, MM.

      For you (and everyone else): after tomorrow night’s episode there’s a break in the action. I’m not sure how long but there’s definitely a brief hiatus. Sucks.

      • By hiatus, do you mean no new episodes for a couple of weeks?

        • Unfortunately, that’s EXACTLY what I mean.

          • WTF? I thought ABC was showing commercials back in December and January saying there would be no weeks off this season. That sucks.

  17. Well, the upside is that I think it’s only one week off, so there will be an episode this week (4/20), a repeat on 4/27, and a new episode on 5/4. After that, all new episodes. Also, the second-to-last episode airs on a Tuesday, with the finale airing that Sunday (only five days later).

    • Oh, the brilliant Survivor strategy. Get you all used to watching the show on the same night all year long and then show the finale on a different night. I bet a lot of people end up missing the finale when they do this sort of thing. Luckily I have TiVo.

  18. Yes, i could see the writers not mentioning her storyline again in order to wrap everything else up. Of course, maybe we’ll get 1 scene on how she’s connected to the other Losties and we see her get messed up. I doubt we see her meeting Jacob for the first time.

    As for the EMP thing, I don’t get it either how Ilana is (or would be) connected to that.

    • Yeah, I could see that, too, but the point is that it would be completely unsatisfying. You know the old rule about a gun in the first act, yes? Well, that’s what this feels like. If you’re going to introduce a detail as odd and intentional as this one, you MUST explain it or risk losing credibility with your audience. So, writers of LOST, you got some splaining to do.

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